In this episode, Jeffrey Wheatman sits down with Paul Guckian, former BISO at Lloyd’s of London and author of Systemic Cyber Resilience: Why CISOs Can’t Fix Cybersecurity. They unpack why the traditional security model is broken, how systemic risk is the real enemy, and why putting the weight of an entire ecosystem on a single CISO sets everyone up for failure. From resilient thinking to lessons from fire safety and finance, Paul brings an academic lens—and a pragmatic mindset—to a critical conversation.